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#1 JeremySchmidt

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

http://www.bucksketb...istons-preview/

 

 

 

It’s no secret that tonight’s matchup in Detroit against the Pistons is a battle of the two best teams in the East….wait, what?

 

So maybe that’s not true, but both teams should enter the game on high notes after putting on surprising performances on their home court in separate victories against the big bad Miami Heat.  For the Bucks, the victory against the Heat was a result of consistently made shots, shutdown defense (led by Luc Richard Mbah a Moute), and simply having it all.  For the Pistons, the sudden emergence of their bench (averaging 74.5/ppg the last two games) has fueled their recent success.

 

Who ya got?



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:55 PM

If this is predictable, but it isn't predictable, what is predictable about this team. I don't get anything. 

 

Also, Drew Gooden is in the game as I type this. That's as sure a sign as anything that things are pretty rough for the Bucks.



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:08 PM

Why does Skiles always do this with his rotations? The guys who played last night can't hang with the pistons tonight? I don't get it. If he does change it up though I wish we could see more of Henson instead of Gooden.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:11 PM

Just turned on the game, what's been goin on? Seeing Drew Gooden in the game isnt very comforting though and the energy just doesnt seem to be there



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

Ive heard Jim Paschke reference Two Live Crew and McGlocklin is talkin bout Hammer time so there's that



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

Yuck! Really could have used Dalembert or Henson in the game rather than Gooden when Larry was out with foul trouble.

 

Larry played pretty well for the most part and wow is it evident how important he is to this team, but at the end of the game (around 3 minutes) he started playing outside of his role and was taking bad shots and dribbling around. Lets hope he can stick to what he's good at, if he had done that at the end of tonights game we may have won.

 

Monta played very well tonight BUT what kind of shots were those on the last two posessions. His shot selection on both of them was garbage. During the timeout before the final play did Skiles really say "Ok Monta is going to wait until the last second and just run into the lane and heave up a contested runner". I know the play often gets derailed by the defense but that didn't look like very good execution or improvisation for a 10 second play if you ask me. Ive noticed he routinely forces up bad heat check shots after he strings together a few makes.

 

Will we trade Monta? Could we get anything legitimate in return?



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 09:59 PM

I called it. This is no shock to me at all. I will give them credit for coming back and almost pulling it out. However the Bucks continue to show why you can never have confidence in this team. I bet the Bucks will beat either the Spurs or Rockets this week and continue to prove their inconsistency. One disturbing trend I have noticed is the Bucks awful play in Back-to-Backs where they have to travel, hopefully they can change that soon...VERY SOON.



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:04 PM

I honestly don't think we should trade Monta because he does carry a lot of the offensive load. Can you imagine the Bucks offensive without him driving to the rim and getting those tough lay ups?

 

With that being said, I do agree with you that his missed shot at the buzzer was not the brightest decision. A contested fadeaway on one foot ..I definitely knew it was not going in lol.

 

He just doesn't know how to go to his left which I don't know why he hasn't worked on. When he gets forced to go to his left he always ends up passing it off. 



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:17 PM

I blame the Red Uniforms



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

@Monta Ellis Fan

 

Monta Ellis often carries a lot of the offensive load by missing a lot of shots. Tonight he was hot. other nights he's real cold.

 

Either way, in the best case Monta Ellis isn't going to get us past the Heat in the playoffs, and chances are he won't be returning to MKE next season. So yes we should trade him even if it decreases our chances of winning this year.  The Bucks have some pretty good young talent right now and we should be building for 2-3 years away. We have a rare opportunity to roll the dice and trade for something more with Monta, Dalembert, Udoh, BJ3, or Ilyasova. Those are some pretty decent trade chips. I can't remember the last time the Bucks had this much talent on the table at the trade deadline.



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:18 AM

I blame the Red Uniforms

red uniforms make them look good even losing

 

 

on another note i blame our inconsistencies on skiles he has no concept of a rotation, drew gooden played 16 minutes....0 rebounds

 

starting lineup doesnt have enough offense we are starting every game being down because of it unless we force alot of turnovers but that isnt something you can count on every night



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 05:39 AM

Yes, I agree with Joe Alexander (the real Joe Alexander?!?!, if so, man what have you been up to?!?!), I've noticed that the Bucks when ever we have to play a back-to-back it usually doesn't go well (exception: the first two games of the season). They looked tired, except for Monta Ellis, even though he missed the last shot, but least he scored well. Unfortunately, I saw this coming all along as well, which makes me mad because I was right. Another omen i thought of was seeing the Packers lose and then switching the channel to see we were as well. 

 

As for some Gooden comments above, I think Skiles went with him as tried & true, however, I would have rather seen Dalembert. Seriously, what is with that?!? I always want to like Skiles, but sometimes I feel like he prevents the "best possible line-up to win" from being on the floor? 

 

How many of you think Dalembert gives a slight edge better to win than Drew Gooden (no offense, Drew)? 



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:32 AM

Recap is up: http://www.bucksketb...ns-96-bucks-94/
 

 
Despite falling behind 13-0 right after the tip and generally playing poorly all night, the Bucks had a chance in the end. Tied at 94, Milwaukee let Monta Ellis do his thing. After shooting well all game, he just couldn’t connect on a 19-footer he’d created some space for.
 
Down two one possession later, Ellis was at the controls again. He settled for a difficult, fall away 18-footer and missed just before the buzzer. It looked like he could have found Ilyasova after the Bucks forward set a screen and flashed to the middle, but Ellis either thought the pass was too difficult to make or didn’t see it.

 
Here's a screen shot of what I'm talking about above:

 

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:54 AM

Last night, when Larry & Udoh seemed to be so ineffective and the rest of the team was unable to play at a blazing fast pace anyway, one couldn't help but wonder just why it is that Dalembert doesn't play at all.  I understand giving Larry the start and he really does a better job running with the team, but how did he fall so far from grace, unless there is some underlying team work problem that we will never know about. 

 

Drew was a part of the comeback.  He mixed it up under the rim and got a couple fouls called on Monroe.  It was a good push at the end, but this team should not have been in that situation.  I would have liked them to win, but they didn't deserve to.  :wacko:



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:25 AM

Last night, when Larry & Udoh seemed to be so ineffective and the rest of the team was unable to play at a blazing fast pace anyway, one couldn't help but wonder just why it is that Dalembert doesn't play at all.  I understand giving Larry the start and he really does a better job running with the team, but how did he fall so far from grace, unless there is some underlying team work problem that we will never know about. 

 

Drew was a part of the comeback.  He mixed it up under the rim and got a couple fouls called on Monroe.  It was a good push at the end, but this team should not have been in that situation.  I would have liked them to win, but they didn't deserve to.  :wacko:

That is a joke right!? drew gooden was the reason we didnt go on a run he played almost the whole 3rd quarter the run LITERALLY didnt start until larry came in and blocked a shot and impacted a bunch of others. drew gooden had a few nice plays on offense but i also remeber him making just as many stupid plays and like i said earlier he played 16 minutes as a center in the nba and didnt get 1 single rebound. he got torched on defense throughout the entire time he was on the floor. every time we got a couple baskets to start a run they would dump it to the big men and score easily

 

drew gooden and skiles are the reason we lost this game



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:55 AM

Yea there really is no excuse for not playing dalembert or henson rather than gooden. Could pretty much guarantee either of those guys would have pulled down a few boards in 16 minutes and protected the paint quite a bit better. Skiles seems to be a man of principle when it comes to giving minutes but I think it cost us this game.



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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

That is a joke right!? drew gooden was the reason we didnt go on a run he played almost the whole 3rd quarter the run LITERALLY didnt start until larry came in and blocked a shot and impacted a bunch of others. drew gooden had a few nice plays on offense but i also remeber him making just as many stupid plays and like i said earlier he played 16 minutes as a center in the nba and didnt get 1 single rebound. he got torched on defense throughout the entire time he was on the floor. every time we got a couple baskets to start a run they would dump it to the big men and score easily

 

drew gooden and skiles are the reason we lost this game

Blaming Drew Gooden as the sole person that should take full responsibility for this loss is a joke, right?



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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:01 PM

^^Agreed Patti. If we want to be jerks about it, shouldn't we be crucifying Monta Ellis for missing the last shot? We've all agreed it should've been Dalembert over Gooden, but that's not what happened. Here's your choices then, for the loss, either blame Skiles for poor rotation management or blame Ellis (even though he played great) because he missed in the clutch. To blame Drew Gooden for something that wasn't in his control is a little harsh. Thats all I'm saying.



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Posted 01 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

I dont think its harsh to say Drew Gooden being on the floor was a large contributing factor to the L. As soon as he came out we went on a run. Skiles deserves the blame. Patti is cool.



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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:18 PM

Blaming Drew Gooden as the sole person that should take full responsibility for this loss is a joke, right?

 

i actually blamed gooden AND skiles

^^Agreed Patti. If we want to be jerks about it, shouldn't we be crucifying Monta Ellis for missing the last shot? We've all agreed it should've been Dalembert over Gooden, but that's not what happened. Here's your choices then, for the loss, either blame Skiles for poor rotation management or blame Ellis (even though he played great) because he missed in the clutch. To blame Drew Gooden for something that wasn't in his control is a little harsh. Thats all I'm saying.

ellis is a sg, he scored 30 points on 12 -22 (good numbers), had 9 assists and 4 rebounds (clearly not to blame all because of one shot)

 

drew gooden is a pf/c he got 0 rebounds, had 1 turnover (3 if you count the two times ball went through his hands), and i only wish i could have a stat of how many times he was scored on or rebounded on all in 16 minutes. sure he had 9 points but the shots he missed were shots that he shouldnt have taken and he got scored on way more than what he got. the run started when he came out so yes he can easily be blamed if you understand the concept of an nba game.







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