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[Patti]

I'm giving it a thumbs up.

I like getting JJ. It has been my argument that we need a starting scoring guard that is different than the way Ellis and Brandon have been forced to play together. I'm not here to trash either one. I'm just excited to see something different. I think and hope this will improve the team and help Jennings. (Monta also, should he decide to stick around)

I like the idea of getting a power forward at 6'10 250. Maybe he and Ekpe will motivate each other. Another big body. What it could do is allow Ersan to play at SF and give us more offense? I have no clue, but I'm happy to explore the options.

I like having a guy named Ish Smith on the Bucks. Come on...that has endless possibilities.


Go Bucks!

[SillyBilly]

Thumbs sideways.

 

While this trade will make us a little better I still don't see the long term plan for this team. We get swept in the first round of the playoffs this year, then likely overpay BJ3 and Redick and/or Ellis, then we draft at like 16. Then the likely scenario for the next couple of years will be getting swept in the first round.

 

I'll keep watching and cheering but I honestly think management is just trying to maintain mediocrity rather than taking the bold and risky moves needed to improve the club. Moves such as parting with Ellis, Jennings, Dalembert, or Udoh. The fact that none of those players was dealt is pretty stunning in a bad way.

 

I guess on the bright side Henson and Sanders will keep improving, but despite having them we don't have the scorer(s) it takes to truly contend and it would make more sense for us to do whatever is necessary (aside from trading sanders or henson) to get that elite player. In other words, management is trying to build a first-round playoff team, not a contending team, and its kind of getting old.

[justryod3]

I'm giving it a thumbs up.

I like getting JJ. It has been my argument that we need a starting scoring guard that is different than the way Ellis and Brandon have been forced to play together. I'm not here to trash either one. I'm just excited to see something different. I think and hope this will improve the team and help Jennings. (Monta also, should he decide to stick around)

I like the idea of getting a power forward at 6'10 250. Maybe he and Ekpe will motivate each other. Another big body. What it could do is allow Ersan to play at SF and give us more offense? I have no clue, but I'm happy to explore the options.

I like having a guy named Ish Smith on the Bucks. Come on...that has endless possibilities.


Go Bucks!

redick isnt going to start over ellis, id put my money on that so with that being said we have 2 un athletic white guys who cant play defense coming off the bench, dunleavy is very good at running around screens and getting open and that is what redick is known for that does not work for 2 people at the same time. this was a terrible trade and will not work out the way everyone expects.

 

i dont think everyone realizes what we missed out on with josh smith, adding josh smith a true all around defender and scorer/allstar to our starting lineup would make ellis and jennings far better players it would basically be a milwaukee big 3 something i cant remember us ever having. im hoping we go after him in the off season and convince ellis to stay we would seriously be deadly with ersan and sanders with those 3. redick is far from the answer i would have prefered no moves were made

[SillyBilly]

redick isnt going to start over ellis, id put my money on that so with that being said we have 2 un athletic white guys who cant play defense coming off the bench, dunleavy is very good at running around screens and getting open and that is what redick is known for that does not work for 2 people at the same time. this was a terrible trade and will not work out the way everyone expects.

 

i dont think everyone realizes what we missed out on with josh smith, adding josh smith a true all around defender and scorer/allstar to our starting lineup would make ellis and jennings far better players it would basically be a milwaukee big 3 something i cant remember us ever having. im hoping we go after him in the off season and convince ellis to stay we would seriously be deadly with ersan and sanders with those 3. redick is far from the answer i would have prefered no moves were made

 

 

Justryod3, don't judge a book by its cover, just because Redick is pale-skinned doesn't mean he isn't a good defender. From what I've seen he falls asleep on his assignments less and takes less gambles than Ellis. Not many people who have watched Ellis would say he is a good defender, and the general consensus of people who write about the league is that Redick is pretty solid on D. But hey you're entitled to your own opinion.

 

2nd, having Josh Smith would be great, but Smith, Ellis and Jennings would not all fit on the payroll after the season. And Im not sure they would qualify as a big 3 by league standards (0 all-star appearances between all 3). Also The chemistry between those three is highly questionable.

 

3rd if you can't remember the Bucks having a big 3 then you really haven't been watching them for long enough to understand the opinions of the majority of the people who frequent and post comments on this site.

[justryod3]

Justryod3, don't judge a book by its cover, just because Redick is pale-skinned doesn't mean he isn't a good defender. From what I've seen he falls asleep on his assignments less and takes less gambles than Ellis. Not many people who have watched Ellis would say he is a good defender, and the general consensus of people who write about the league is that Redick is pretty solid on D. But hey you're entitled to your own opinion.

 

2nd, having Josh Smith would be great, but Smith, Ellis and Jennings would not all fit on the payroll after the season. And Im not sure they would qualify as a big 3 by league standards (0 all-star appearances between all 3). Also The chemistry between those three is highly questionable.

 

3rd if you can't remember the Bucks having a big 3 then you really haven't been watching them for long enough to understand the opinions of the majority of the people who frequent and post comments on this site.

ellis has far better defense than he is given credit for, he is undersized yet he is a ball hawk. he is playing sg which is probably the hardest position to guard considering the all star sg's in this league so yea there will be games where the guy he is guarding will have a big night but there will also be alot of nights where he shuts down a very good scorer. joe johnson was held to 8 last night the night before luc richard was primarily guarding him and he had what 24, ellis is now the best perimeter defender we have.

 

dont care about all star appearances all of them have shown ability to be all stars now every guy in the nba can be an all star with horrible teams like lebron

 

from what i got on google our last big 3 was 2001 (if they were even considered a big 3 by your standards) which would have made me 9 years old, and what you are saying is that since i dont remember everything from being 9 years old than that means i am not allowed to have an opinion on the current team 12 years later, you continue to try make me look stupid but really your making yourself look like a joke

[Kevin]

Thumbs up for right now.

 

It sucks that we had to give up Tobias, who at the very least looked like a great offensive talent. His defense was pretty awful, and his court vision needed improvement, but at 20 years old, that may very well change over time. But the unfortunate truth is that the Bucks didn't have time to wait to see if he'd pan out and be a star. They needed immediate results.

 

Lamb and Udrih were pretty expendable in the end. I had hopes for Lamb, but his season has been decidedly unimpressive, and injuries have derailed him for a good portion of the year. I liked Udrih a lot as well, but he wasn't happy with his minutes in Milwaukee. 

 

Ishmael Smith isn't anyone really worth mentioning. He makes less than a million a year and is signed for this year and the next, with a team option in the 2014/15 season. He is 24 years old though, and might see at least some burn from Boylan, if nothing else to see if he has anything to offer the team. 

 

I remember Gustavo Ayon being pretty solid with the Hornets during the latter half of the season last year. But he is another PF on a team with too many power forwards as it is, but is in the last year of his contract. He does have a team option for next year, though.

 

And finally, JJ Redick. Two things to take into consideration about this trade:
 

1. Hammond said that he would only make this trade if Redick would re-sign with them after this season. So chances are, we have Redick locked up for at least the next few years. 

 

2. While Ellis is definitely going to continue being the starter for this season, it puts some doubt on his long term status with the team. He does have a player option next year, but most reports indicate he won't accept it, and even if he does, he would still be a nice expiring contract that we could trade away if need be. 

 

Anyways, Redick puts the Bucks into better position to be a playoff team this year. He's an excellent shooter who can spread the floor as well as anyone in the league (I am SO excited for a Jennings/Redick/Dunleavy/Ilyasova/Sanders lineup!). He's improved tremendously on defense since he entered the league as well. Certainly not a lock-down defender, but he can hold his own. He's also a great passer, very unselfish with the ball.

 

The important thing to remember with this deal is that, while we did trade away a player (Harris) who may have been a guy of the future, we need some success NOW. We're the least valuable team in the NBA right now in terms of earnings. Fans simply aren't excited about the Bucks, and haven't had a whole lot of reason to be apart from the 2009-10 "Fear the Deer" team. 

 

Even just making the playoffs would raise interest. If we can get a win or two against Miami, Indiana or New York in the process? Even better. Just something to generate excitement and interest in the Bucks again. Redick gives us a better chance at that. 

 

Obviously it would have been amazing to get Smith as well, but it is what it is. And if he's truly excited at the notion of playing with Jennings/Ellis, then Milwaukee can offer him as much as pretty much any other team in the bidding for him in the offseason.

[justryod3]

ellis has far better defense than he is given credit for, he is undersized yet he is a ball hawk. he is playing sg which is probably the hardest position to guard considering the all star sg's in this league so yea there will be games where the guy he is guarding will have a big night but there will also be alot of nights where he shuts down a very good scorer. joe johnson was held to 8 last night the night before luc richard was primarily guarding him and he had what 24, ellis is now the best perimeter defender we have.

 

dont care about all star appearances all of them have shown ability to be all stars now every guy in the nba can be an all star with horrible teams like lebron

 

from what i got on google our last big 3 was 2001 (if they were even considered a big 3 by your standards) which would have made me 9 years old, and what you are saying is that since i dont remember everything from being 9 years old than that means i am not allowed to have an opinion on the current team 12 years later, you continue to try make me look stupid but really your making yourself look like a joke

and we are actually one of the best options for smith this season, he has been in atlanta his whole career never an amazing team so he obviously wants to be on a contending team but also get a good contract. he has said that he never demanded a max contract so with that being said we are in a good position with having talent while also being able to give him a good contract, not a max contract  but we can give him a good one. so the jennings ellis smith could very well happen

[SillyBilly]

ellis has far better defense than he is given credit for, he is undersized yet he is a ball hawk. he is playing sg which is probably the hardest position to guard considering the all star sg's in this league so yea there will be games where the guy he is guarding will have a big night but there will also be alot of nights where he shuts down a very good scorer. joe johnson was held to 8 last night the night before luc richard was primarily guarding him and he had what 24, ellis is now the best perimeter defender we have.

 

dont care about all star appearances all of them have shown ability to be all stars now every guy in the nba can be an all star with horrible teams like lebron

 

from what i got on google our last big 3 was 2001 (if they were even considered a big 3 by your standards) which would have made me 9 years old, and what you are saying is that since i dont remember everything from being 9 years old than that means i am not allowed to have an opinion on the current team 12 years later, you continue to try make me look stupid but really your making yourself look like a joke

 

 

Im going to go be a joke else where. L8r.

[JeremySchmidt]

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[jtcooky]

I would have loved this trade had we been able to trade Monta for Josh Smith. Now it just seems like Redick will not be utilized enough because I don't see Boylan cutting Monta's minutes to play Redick more. Maybe if JJ plays the 3 a little, but that might not be the best option either.

 

And justryod3, just because you were only 9 when we had our last "Big 3" doesn't mean you should be so quick to dismiss the impact they had. That team went to the Eastern Conference Finals, and was probably the best team we've had the past two decades. I was only 10 in 2001, but I'm not ignorant to something like that just because it happened in the past.

[Patti]

Food for thought....

Everyone is concerned that Boylan will not give JJ sufficient minutes because they want to give Ellis minutes first.
But....they are going to want to see how JJ can have an effect on the team play because they are going into contract negotiations with JJ.
Ellis, on the other hand, has a contract and Ellis has the option to become a FA if he chooses. We have seen what Ellis can do for the Bucks.
I think coaches and management are highly motivated to get minutes for JJ, under these circumstances. Of coarse, the hope is that these minutes will give the team what they need. We'll see...

Go Bucks!

[Kevin]

It's going to be interesting regardless in terms of the lineups. Since Jennings and Ish Smith are the only point guards on the team (and let's face it, barring something crazy, Smith isn't getting minutes), I think we'll see Ellis at the point when Jennings needs a rest, with Redick, Dunleavy, and Ilyasova spreading the floor. So even though he's a very average play-maker, he'll have three guys who are excellent shooters, so he doesn't need to be an amazing play-maker.

 

While Jennings and Ellis have no problems playing heavy minutes, I think Redick will still at least get 20 minutes or so a night. And on nights that he plays really well, he'll easily pass the 20 minute threshold. 

[justryod3]

Just an FYI to the regulars - Make sure you're reporting things right away if you see someone going over the line on language or anything like that. Something came to my attention recently and I hope it's now been dealt with. Thanks.

so whos the rat

[justryod3]

And justryod3, just because you were only 9 when we had our last "Big 3" doesn't mean you should be so quick to dismiss the impact they had. That team went to the Eastern Conference Finals, and was probably the best team we've had the past two decades. I was only 10 in 2001, but I'm not ignorant to something like that just because it happened in the past.

did you read anything that was said or did you decide to just jump in? i literally said nothing specifically about that team good or bad i was simply pointing out i was to young to actually watch the bucks which is what i was being insulted for, read before you comment

[justryod3]

and my opinion has sort of changed about this trade after watching the first game, the main thing that i was really excited about was the rotation where jennings and ellis started together than ellis takes over point than jennings comes back than they finish half together, i think it will be really good for us to have our best 2 players running point the whole game passing and scoring just getting creative, ellis clearly did his job and backup point with 10 assists. i would like if the minutues were distributed better though

 

as far as redick, i think dunleavy is just getting killed by age, last year he came off the bench with 17 a game and just dominated every game this year its a streaky 9 a game and it seems like redick is taking over that consistent role off the bench and its something ive missed seeing.

[Patti]

Yeah...Jennings getting in foul trouble early had to be extremely frustrating for him.  He needs to put it behind and get his head back in the game.  He'll be fine or he'll be his own worst enemy...I'm banking on the first.

 

Dunleavy (and lack of other scoring SF) is starting to be a concern.  I hope his knees aren't failing him now.  We have two good SF with bad wheels.  That might account for Boylan wanting to play all three guards.

 

Not the outcome I was hoping for when we acquired JJ.

[EricH7]

this trade gets a huge thumbs down. you traded away your future in harris and lamb. and milwaukee is a small market team so they can't afford to sign superstars. they have to draft them. and you can't tell whether a player will develop into a superstar unless you give them a chance to succeed or fail. and how do you expect to build a team through the draft if you keep trading away all your young talent before they have a chance to develop.

 

they never gave harris a true chance at minutes. and i think he will eventually be an all star maybe 3 years down the road. look at his numbers down in ORL for his first two games. they're better than redicks.

 

and lamb probably won't be a starter but he'd be a nice guy coming off the bench eventually. 

[Kevin]

Tobias is excelling, but he's doing what we already knew he could do: score the basketball. He doesn't have great court vision in terms of passing, and I'm still not sold on his defense. I'm not sure he'll ever be laterally quick enough to defend most small forwards, but if he bulks up, he might be able to handle some power forwards (and Tobias is most effective in the post anyways, where added strength would further aid him). 

 

Redick has had a huge impact in every game so far, hitting big shots for Milwaukee late and doing a relatively good job of moving the ball as well. Already the floor spacing has been something amazing for us, making defenses have to watch for EVERYONE on the floor, something we haven't had all season, and it's made Ellis effective as the point guard. 

 

It's one thing to win a back-to-back, but to win on the road in Dallas and Houston? That's huge. It could be just the confidence boost the Bucks need to put them firmly back into the playoff race.

[Kevin]

http://www.brewhoop....arris-bucks-nba

 

You might not agree with everything, but it makes great points about Tobias and his surge on the Orlando Magic, and reiterates some of the points I made as well.

[EricH7]

Yea I'm sure Redick has had an impact but Monta has also been playing his best ball. 

 

And as far as that article he said the only reason tobias is scoring so high is because he is on a bad team and playing in garbage time. And Redick came from that team and was only avging 15 points.